Skarmory acts as a more reliable answer to the Rock-types, Salamence, and Celebi while also setting Spikes so Flygon can wallbreak even more effectively. It's often worth running Drill Peck on the types of teams this Flygon fits on as they're often weak to Heracross and Flygon can sometimes have a tendency to let that come in. Flygon is able to take on Electric-types relatively well in return while even doing a ton of damage to the Rapid Spinners of the tier, so the Spikes are likelier to stay up.
Specially defensive Celebi is able to handle Gengar, and Water-types while giving residual damage to get Pokemon in range of Flygon's attacks with Leech Seed which can also give Flygon extra longevity that it wouldn't have while Flygon can offensively handle Metagross it can't 'handle' metagross and pivot into Rock Slide, Earthquake, or Hidden Power Bug from Aerodactyl or Tyranitar well.
However, this is all it does and it's usually better to use wear these down over time, and in Gengar's case, just run a Pursuit Tyranitar to remove it.
I think HP ghost is better than these 2 sentences make it out to be. However, this is all it does and Heracross can be pressured in other ways, usually via overloading it with offense.
However, this usually isn't very effective as Flygon's Special Attack stat is quite mediocre and Swampert can heal it all off over time anyway. Could also talk about these moves in the scheme of a specially oriented mixed attacker, which is a bad possiblity for a Flygon set.
It also isn't too bothered by Toxic due to Refresh. However, offensive variants, while still able to take a hit or two, are not nearly as reliable in answering offensive Flygon variants due to their lack of bulk making them take a lot from Earthquake.
Choice Band Flygon is even able to do a pretty decent chunk with Earthquake. However, multiple Rock Slide in sand can start to sting from Leftovers Flygon and Choice Band does a ton of damage, leaving Gengar unable to fulfill other potential defensive duties throughout the game.
Gengar is also very susceptible to Pursuit Tyranitar, a common Flygon partner. However, Toxic utterly cripples Porygon2 p2 can still trace natural cure to heal itself and it gives free turns to common Flygon partners, especially when Porygon2 has to recover.
However, all of these Pokemon can all potentially take a lot of damage if Flygon has the right coverage option or Spikes are down although they won't go down to these coverage options a lot of the time without prior damage. Delete this, half the mons you have here are mentioned somewhere else in the checks and counters P2, pert, skarm , and Cele and Forry aren't Gon switchins.
Toxic poison makes it so Flygon can't stay in as it wants and in a best case scenario, makes it not heal Leftovers. Kind of understating how much toxic shits on Gon here tbh, everything has protect and just vibes on it.
Skarmory and Forretress don't take much from any attack Flygon has besides Fire Blast, and if it lacks said move, they're free to lay up Spikes in Flygon's face and take its attacks with ease. It also doesn't help Magneton can easily be employed to remove these two. Triangles said:. Rabia Ganyu my beloved. GP Co-Leader.
For one, its resistances typing and ability are incredible, namely its providing a resistance to Rock- and Electric-type attacks as well as its immunity Rock and immunities to sand, Spikes, and Ground- and Electric- type attacks. These traits improve longevity and make it one of the best , if not the, AC best counter to Dragon Dance Tyranitar in the entire tier and a good check to Aerodactyl, Hidden Power Grass Zapdos lacking Toxic, and Jolteon that's able to have good longevity. However, Flygon has some major shortcomings that prevent it from being considered a top-tier AH threat.
It also often relies on trapping support from Magneton and Pursuit Tyranitar, AC as Skarmory, and Gengar are unphased unfazed by Flygon and can use it to generate free turns. And while While its quite strong, Pokemon like defensive Swampert, Skarmory, and Milotic are able to take Flygon's attacks and recover them off. However, Flygon is Spikes-immune and doesn't have to worry as much about getting lured by what it's supposed to check, unlike Swampert, as Swampert's omnipresence makes it so many Pokemon run Hidden Power Grass to lure it and as a result Pokemon like Zapdos drop Hidden Power Ice, giving Flygon an overall better matchup against these Pokemon.
Rock Slide hits Zapdos, Moltres, Salamence, Aerodactyl, and Gyarados hard while also doing relatively solid damage to Gengar and Cloyster switch-ins as they switch in. Hidden Power Bug does a lot of damage to Celebi and hits Claydol quite hard, preventing these common switch-ins from being totally safe. Substitute is preferred in the 4th fourth moveslot, AC as it's able to punish it punishes switches and certain Choiced-locked Pokemon, lets Flygon evade status from status spreaders like Zapdos and Milotic, and allows it to fire off at least one free attack.
Fire Blast can be run over Substitute if Skarmory and Forretress are a bigger concern and denies them from setting up Spikes, which can help in being better helps against Spikes-centric builds and less reliant on a potential Magneton partner while also doing decent damage to Gengar and Celebi switch-ins on the switch. A Naive nature is preferred to outspeed Timid Moltres and offensive Celebi and at worst Speed tie with Zapdos and Jirachi rather than risk being outsped. A Naughty nature lets Flygon threaten the bulky teams it's supposed to more effectively but makes it unable to Speed tie with Superachi, making it an overall inferior choice on most teams.
In return, AC Flygon can force Skarmory and Forretress to come in so Magneton can come in on a double switch to trap them as well as handle Tyranitar and come in on many Choice Band Pokemon that rely on Earthquake to take out Magneton, like the previously mentioned Metagross, Aerodactyl, and Tyranitar. Spikes setters like Skarmory and Forretress are great to have, AC as they make Flygon's attacks sting even more, especially since some of Flygon's best answers, namely Milotic, Swampert, and Blissey, AC are very vulnerable to Spikes, AC and Spikes suffocate the opponent in tandem synergize well with the sand likely to be up.
These two also bringing bring some much-needed defensive stops against to Pokemon like non-Hidden Power Fire Metagross and physical Salamence. This Flygon is also able to threaten spinners like Claydol and opposing Forretress if it has Fire Blast, keeping the Spikes up RC which lets and letting the Spikes setter on Flygon's team come in less often, and, as a result RC helping it stay healthier to check what they need it needs to.
It can even take advantage of the holes Flygon breaks on in the opposing team to sweep late-game, AC and it even fits on to many of the same Spikes-based teams that this Flygon is meant to be on. Bulky Water-types like Suicune, Milotic, and Swampert are able to switch into physical attackers like Metagross, MixMence, and Swampert for Flygon and potentially even spread status for residual damage, AC while Flygon can break down their checks with its powerful attacks, namely Celebi, Zapdos, Snorlax, and Jolteon.
Defensive Swampert, in particular, is a good partner as because it can take the pressure off Flygon to handle physical Tyranitar and Aerodactyl, which can often overwhelm this Flygon set due to its lack of bulk investment and Protect to stay out of KO range from some attacks.
Flygon can also switch into Rock Slides for Zapdos to gain offensive momentum and potentially do a lot of damage to Pokemon like Snorlax or and Celebi so Zapdos has an easier time spamming Thunderbolt late-game while also acting as backup Ground resist Ground-type check so Zapdos isn't as pressured to come into them. Metagross is a great partner for this Flygon as because it can elect to run a mixed or bulky physical attacker Leftovers set as if Flygon is running Fire Blast, Skarmory is able to be taken out which can help to lure in and remove Skarmory, AC and more bulk on Metagross means Flygon is relied on less of a crutch to take on Rock-types.
Meanwhile, Choice Band sets can Explode use Explosion on Skarmory or Swampert and wallbreak for so Flygon can clean through weakened walls. Blissey can pivot into many special attackers, including Zapdos, Jolteon, Jirachi, Moltres, certain Gengar variants, and Water-types, AC while even potentially passing Wishes to keep Flygon healthy so it can threaten the bulky teams it's supposed to. Meanwhile, Flygon can offensive offensively handle Pokemon that wall and use Blissey for free turns, like Tyranitar, as well as come in on some resisted hits that are often targetted targeted at Blissey, namely Rock Slide and Earthquake, AC to get a chance to fire off a free hit.
Moltres can roast Skarmory, Celebi, and Forretress and spread burns with Will-O-Wisp for residual damage so Flygon's damage sticks better, AC while Flygon can use switch into physical Tyranitar, Aerodactyl, and Salamence as entry to do damage and start wallbreaking on top of wearing down Water-types with its powerful Earthquake so they're more scared hesitant to come into Moltres. Moltres also alleviates improves the Metagross matchup quite a bit, which teams featuring Flygon over Swampert can often struggle switching into due to Flygon's lack of a Meteor Mash resistance.
Fire Blast can be used if getting good damage on Skarmory and Forretress and relying less on Magneton to handle them is preferred, but it's usually better to just pair this set with a Magneton as because Rock Slide's coverage is too valuable to pass up on a lot of the time.
It also forces Celebi to switch at some point to alleviate it remove poison , which can give you a free turn as it switches. The EVs let Flygon outspeed max maximum Speed positive nature Tyranitar, live help it take an uninvested Tyranitar Tyranitar's Ice Beam, and rest of the EVs are to help Flygon it handle physical attackers as well as possible.
Pursuit trapping Gengar and Celebi so Flygon can more effectively spread poison with Toxic is absolutely crucial as well, AC and Tyranitar can even lure in and destroy Swampert, Skarmory, Forrestress Forretress , and Claydol with the appropriate coverage. In return, Flygon can pivot into Earthquakes from Pokemon like Claydol and Tyranitar while also able to pivot around Electric-types and Aerodactyl in tandem with Tyranitar, AC as they can wall Zapdos and Jolteon when played properly.
They can also both pivot around many Pokemon with their defensive synergy, namely Choice Band users and weakened Hidden Power Grass Zapdos while even and are both Spikes-immune, making it them fit on these similar structures.
Skarmory can set Spikes to help Flygon get lasting damage on the opposing team, AC as a lot of Flygon's defensive answers, like Milotic, Swampert, and Blissey, AC are very vulnerable to Spikes while suffocating the opponent from the sand likely to be up as well as the Toxic Flygon spreads and will likely be taking damage from sand and Toxic poison from Flygon too. In return, Flygon can take on Electric-types like Zapdos and Jolteon for it as well as scout Fire for Fire-type coverage from Pokemon that run it, namely Metagross, Salamence, and Tyranitar.
Flygon fits very well on teams that have many Spikes-immune Pokemon to minimize the control Spikes have on the game, minimizing reducing the need for Magneton support in the process. With these things in mind, Zapdos is a great partner as because it's able to take on Water-types, Skarmory, and Heracross RC and spread its own status in tandem with Flygon while contributing to the anti-Spikes idea this Flygon often fits on so well.
Moltres alleviates improves the Metagross matchup quite a bit, which these teams featuring Flygon over Swampert can often struggle switching into due to Flygon's lack of a Meteor Mash resistance, AC while Flygon can spread poison with Toxic on bulky Water-types and pivot into the Rock- AH and Electric-types well. AP This is especially important given many Pokemon on these teams can't recover with Leftovers due to being vulnerable to sand. Aerodactyl takes advantage of the residual damage Flygon spreads to make late-game sweeps more easily accomplished while providing these teams with a good form of speed control and even being Spikes- AH and sand-immune, making it fit on these structures even better.
Specially defensive Celebi is able to handle Gengar and Water-types while piling on the residual damage in tandem with Flygon with Leech Seed, AC while Flygon can handle weakened Metagross and pivot into Aerodactyl. It can even potentially passing pass Wishes to keep Flygon healthy. Hidden Power Bug smashes Celebi and hits Claydol really hard, preventing these common switch-ins from being safe with the right proper prediction.
Alternatively, Toxic cripples Porygon2, offensive Swampert, Zapdos, and Moltres and makes them incapable of coming in safely or staying in for long periods of time. Fire Blast can also be run to hit Skarmory and Forretress hard and denies them from setting Spikes; it also does good damage to Gengar and forces Celebi to use Recover. A Jolly nature is preferred as it outspeeds because it lets Flygon outspeed Timid Moltres and offensive Celebi and at worst ties Speed tie with Zapdos and Jirachi rather than risk being outsped.
However, Adamant is better for some teams, AC as it gives Flygon a boost to its strength so it can threaten the bulky teams it's supposed to more effectively.
Gust takes out Heracross and Breloom, which teams with this Flygon set often have a very rough matchup against them. Magneton is another required partner, AC as it traps Skarmory and Forretress, two Pokemon that can take its Flygon's attacks with ease and use it for free turns.
Flygon can force Skarmory and Forretress to come in so Magneton can come in on a double switch to trap them as well as handle Tyranitar and come in on many Choice Band Pokemon that rely on Earthquake to take out Magneton like the previously mentioned Metagross, Aerodactyl, Salamence, and Tyranitar.
It's often worth running Drill Peck on the types of teams this Flygon fits on, AC as they're often weak to Heracross, AC and Flygon can sometimes have a tendency to let that come in. Flygon is able to take on Electric-types relatively well in return while even doing a ton of damage to the Rapid Spinners spinners of the tier, so the Spikes are likelier to stay up. Because of this more reliable backbone and less decreased offensive pressure, Flygon is able to come in more sparingly throughout games and keep healthy so it can have be a threat factor in the long-game.
However, this is all it does, AC and it's a more situational move than Hidden Power Bug on sets that run it. However, this is all it does, AC and Heracross can be pressured in other ways, usually via overloading it with offense.
Hidden Power Grass or Giga Drain can be run on a special attacking set to lure in and take a large chunk out of Swampert and do more to Skarmory with fully invested Fire Blasted Blast.
However, this usually isn't very effective as because Flygon's Special Attack stat is quite mediocre and , AC Swampert can heal off Giga Drain over time anyway, AC and having a less strong weaker Earthquake hurts the Tyranitar and Metagross matchups.
However, Suicune and Milotic are both vulnerable in to sand, so Flygon's damage is going to stick, AC and Suicune lacks any recovery outside of Rest. Choice Band sets can also pressure all of these Pokemon from coming if they directly switch in, especially in sand for the former two and if Spikes are down for all three of them if Spikes are down.
However, multiple Rock Slide in sand can start to sting from Leftovers Flygon, AC and Choice Band does sets do a ton of damage, leaving Gengar unable to fulfill other potential defensive duties throughout the game. Gengar is also very susceptible vulnerable to Pursuit Tyranitar, a common Flygon partner.
And while While Toxic is a good stop to it in most cases, Porygon2 can trace a Natural Cure user to heal of the Toxic poison. Toxic poison ruins Flygon, AC as with it, it can't stay in as it wants to forces Flygon out more often and makes it take constant chip damage so it can't counter or check what it's meant to. This is exasperated compounded on when Protect users are on the opposing team, which they very often are. It also doesn't help Magneton can easily be employed to remove these it.
Oxypad said:. About Rock Slide hitting Cloyster: In the context of this sentence I do not believe it makes sense to include Cloyster. For one, every other mon mentioned is EQ immune, so using Rock Slide obivously results in non-zero damage comparatively when it hits.
Also, while I do not disagree that Cloyster is a nice switch-in to Flygon like all the rest of the mons that are mentioned a reason we might think it deserves a place here - the fact that EQ does the same damage to Cloyster as Rock Slide when it hits makes it silly -- as if it is appearing to say that Rock Slide is the best attack to use against Cloyster, when it is not for pure damage purposes. It just so happens that Rock Slide does cover a Cloyster switch-in pretty much or almost equally effective as EQ for the damage it is expected to do.
I mean I fear novices will get the wrong idea about "super effective" making Rock Slide better, or something. Anything we can do to avoid misconceptions, I say. We do not want to perpetuate what happened to me the other day -- when someone had Dugtrio use HP Bug on my Starmie Does not this person know that EQ does more? Aerial Ace against a non-4x weak Fighting-type is even more of a mistake.
I am sure this has happened to us all and it is frustrating to witness stupidity sometimes. Nah, just cut the mention of cloyster. It's the same damage as EQ. Rabia said:. Lumari miss blue sky. For one, its incredible typing and ability are incredible, providing provide a resistance to Rock and immunities to sand, Spikes, and Electric- and Ground-type attacks. Female HA Pokemon Wanted! Teambuilding advice for B2? Where can I find a fishing rod? Main Quest 13 Answers How do I get past the team plasma that in the cave past the 8th gym?
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